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Default Posted December 5th, 2007, 08:16 PM #61 (permalink) |
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debate is about her protection by the Indian government while own a country man is living abroad for similar reasons.
good point ..
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Default Posted December 5th, 2007, 09:33 PM #62 (permalink) |
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This is freedom of speech..? If she was right to change a whole society’s belief why can’t I change 1 person’s name! What I said was not ridicules but this sort of double standards ridicules this so called freedom of speech which is used only when suits some people…!


You don’t have any Idea about Freedom. If you don’t understand the difference between ‘whatever she wrote in her book’ and ‘whatever you have said in your post’ then I would say that you are not mature enough to understand.
She has written quite a no of books and in her book she have written some contents which is against her own religion and own society. The people who like her writing have read her book. The people who don’t like her writing doesn’t read her book. Some people believes that she draw a wrong image of his society or religion and that’s why they protested. Some govt thought some of her books are harmful and that’s why they banded her certain book. But what you have done in your post is that you are trying to do something like abusing her. You will be appreciated if give some proper logic and opinion instead of doing such type of things.

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her books are not worth mentioning and so were banned without any recognition…


I have read some of her books specially the 3 autobiographies. What I found that she is fluent in her writing and her story telling is also good. Obviously I am not comparing her with someone like Ravi Thakur . But she has a own style and that is good to me. Obviously many people will agree with me on that and may people disagree. Because it is a matter of personal choice.
Now as I am not aware about your religion and society, it is not possible for me to understand how she has insulted your religion and society. I have taken them as story and didn’t confuse it with reality.

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This debate is about her protection by the Indian government while own a country man is living abroad for similar reasons..! It’s interesting that the army had to be deployed to protect her against a small terrorist group… Now this is politics…!!!


Now coming to the actual debate, I am strongly in favor of giving her shelter as long as our law permits just because she is a human. I heel bad when West Bengal govt forced her to got out of Bengal. This is not politics that she is getting shelter in India but this is politics when M.F is forced to leave India. I feel bad in the same way when the artist like M.F also had to leave India.

It is not that India is a heaven and at the same time it is not the case that all the people live in India are as good as Bhagaban Budhha. As there are hardliners in Bangladesh , in the same way there are hardliners in India. Now, In Bangladesh Muslim Hardliners are in majority where Hindu hardliners in India. This is the reason, it is easy for Tashlima to stay in India than M.F.

Now I am not sure that M.F and Tashlima have done the same crime if they have done any. I have no right to judge MF. But from my common sence, Tashlima written in her book against Islam and Muslim society , she put question whether all the rules of Islam and Muslim society and stated some laws and laws in Islam and Muslim society are dauble standard and so on ( Now to clarify,I also believe many of rules and laws and rituals of our religion and society are also biased, bad and need to be changed .

But what MF did was drawing nude pictures of some hindu godess. So I doubt whether both are same.
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Default Posted December 5th, 2007, 09:39 PM #63 (permalink) |
i peronally think that taslima nasrin and her works are bit overrated and in a sense the so called fatwabaz people are doing her a big favor by publicizing her name and her work...

abut her books...there will be always a group of people who will use the religion for their own good..its not just islam..every religion has people like this.we call them misinterpretors..as simple as that...but the way she tried to genaralise things can't be right.. specially when our religion is based on a belief that "allah himself is protecting our religion from any changes what so ever."..i will leave the religion part for asmani apu to give you guys a better and the true meaning of all the ayats and sura that TN used and criticized in her books.....plus i wouldnt even rate her books as a feminist approach..specially with that kind of vivid descriptions of rape and sex..i think by writing and saying those things all she tried to do is to create a group call "i hate man."...world has seen lot better...

bubla bro first of all i want to say, welcome back bro.. and i have nothing against India..India should protect TN....No country does or should give away a person who they think might get killed if returned to his/her own homeland, unless he/she becomes a dangerous element for that country..and we have given india enough reasons to believe that. this is one kind of humanaitarian approach that almost every country follows..fellow forum members who live in us canada or anywhere outside of bd should know this...dont you guys tell me that you haven't met a single refugee status holder...i know here the case is bit different for us but from india's point of view it should be the same...nothing more...india is not protecting a world treasure that bangladesh has failed to understand her value... india is protecting someone who is kinda as same as a refugee status holder...
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Default Posted December 5th, 2007, 10:04 PM #64 (permalink) |
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You don’t have any Idea about Freedom. If you don’t understand the difference between ‘whatever she wrote in her book’ and ‘whatever you have said in your post’ then I would say that you are not mature enough to understand.
She has written quite a no of book and in her book she have written some contents which is against her own religion and own society. The people who like her writing have read her book. The people who don’t like her writing doesn’t read her book. Some people believes that the draw a wrong picture of his society or religion and that’s why they protested. Some govt thought some of her books are harmful and that’s why they banded her certain book. But what you have done in your post is that you are trying to do something like abusing her. You will be appreciated if give some proper logic and opinion instead of doing such type of things.

So what I said was an offensive word and her writing was revolutionary..! I wouldn’t bother saying anything to you about my maturity here for obvious reasons..!

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I have read some of her books specially the 3 autobiographies. What I found that she is fluent in her writing and her story telling is also good. Obviously I am not comparing her with someone like Ravi Thakur . But she has a own style and that is good to me. Obviously many people will agree with me on that and may people disagree. Because it is a matter of personal choice.
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Now as I am not aware about your religion and society, it is not possible for me to understand how she has insulted your religion and society. I have taken them as story and didn’t confuse it with reality.


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Now coming to the actual debate, I am strongly in favor of giving her shelter as long as our law permits just because she is a human. I heel bad when West Bengal govt forced her to got out of Bengal. This is not politics that she is getting shelter in India but this is politics when M.F is forced to leave India. I feel bad in the same way when the artist like M.F also had to leave India.
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It is not that India is a heaven and at the same time it is not the case that all the people live in India are as good as Bhagaban Budhha. As there are hardliners in Bangladesh , in the same way there are hardliners in India. Now, In Bangladesh Muslim Hardliners are in majority where Hindu hardliners in India. This is the reason, it is easy for Tashlima to stay in India than M.F.


[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Now this is a supporting document to my debate..! So when majority is offended by any person’s remark do they deserve to be punished? If you say no then you are different from world population... Bangladesh does not permit any offence towards Islam, India towards Hinduism, Europe and America towards any religion specially Jews and holocaust denial… If the rest is offence by world the population then why is Bangladesh wrong to be offensive... I understand Bubla (matured man) you’re different but how many do we have like you..?
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Now I am not sure that M.F and Tashlima have done the same crime if they have done any. I have no right to judge MF. But from my common sence, Tashlima written in her book against Islam and Muslim society , she put question whether all the rules of Islam and Muslim society and stated some laws and laws in Islam and Muslim society are dauble standard and so on ( Now to clarify,I also believe many of rules and laws and rituals of our religion and society are also biased, bad and need to be changed .
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But what MF did was drawing nude pictures of some hindu godess. So I doubt whether both are same.


MF is an artist so he offended trough art and Taslima writes (intentional) so she offended via writing..?
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