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Default Posted April 30th, 2006, 10:24 PM #11 (permalink) |
Real Shumon: You don’t agree with the thread? I can’t say much about that… but yessss if you gave us a reason then we all would have gained some knowledge and correct are self.

Cinderella: I did say excluding the freedom fighters because they were fighting only because of the situation not having the knowledge what the leaders wanted. Your statements have only your views and by the way I am from osmani nagor and my dad was a close friend of Gen. Osmani and my dad was also fighting for support here in the U.K and my mum had to live middle of nowhere surrounded by water. I do get to hear lot of stories but I decided to only believe what makes sense. I wouldn’t go too deep with your comments because you have no personal knowledge of history and only talk what you hear.
I agree Cinderella Sheikh Rasel was innocent and regret what happened but war is war… Sheikh Mujib shouldn’t have involved his family in politics.

To all, I am happy to have an independent country and don’t get me wrong. I’m only putting some light to those claims of great sacrifices that we hear for sympathies and people telling us who/why should we vote/support this/that party.

This was triggered by Jibon Bai’s post (election 2007) were he requested to vote for someone not because of the past but present and its true lot of people vote because of history, without knowing the real history.
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Declaration of independence

On 26 March, the nation waged an armed struggle against the Pakistani occupation forces following the killings of the night of 25 March. The Pakistani forces arrested Sheikh Mujib, who, through a wireless message, had called upon the people to resist the occupation forces [source: The Daily Star, March 26, 2005]. Mujib was arrested on the night of March 25-26, 1971 at about 1:30 a.m. (per Radio Pakistan’s news on March 29, 1971) which means effectively on March 26, 1971.

On 26 March 1971, M A Hannan, an Awami League leader from Chittagong, is said to have made the first announcement of the declaration of independence over radio,

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman signed an official declaration that read:

Today Bangladesh is a sovereign and independent country. On Thursday night West Pakistani armed forces suddenly attacked the police barracks at Razarbagh and the EPR headquarters at Pilkhana in Dhaka. Many innocent and unarmed have been killed in Dhaka city and other places of Bangladesh. Violent clashes between EPR and Police on the one hand and the armed forces of Pakistan on the other, are going on. The Bengalis are fighting the enemy with great courage for an independent Bangladesh. May God aid us in our fight for freedom. Joy Bangla.

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
25 March 1971

(Source: "The History of the Liberation Movement in Bangladesh" by J. S. Gupta)

A telegram reached some students in Chittagong. They realized the message could be broadcast from Agrabad Station of Radio Pakistan. The message was translated to Bangla by Dr Manjula Anwar. They failed to secure permission from higher authorities to broadcast the message. They crossed Kalurghat Bridge into an area controlled by East Bengal Regiment under Major Ziaur Rahman. Bengali soldiers guarded the station as engineers prepared for transmission. At 19:45 on 26 March 1971, Major Ziaur Rahman broadcast another announcement of the declaration of independence on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur which is as follows.

This is Shadhin Bangla Betar Kendro. I, Major Ziaur Rahman, at the direction of Bangobondhu Mujibur Rahman, hereby declare that the independent People's Republic of Bangladesh has been established. At his direction, I have taken command as the temporary Head of the Republic. In the name of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, I call upon all Bengalis to rise against the attack by the West Pakistani Army. We shall fight to the last to free our Motherland. By the grace of Allah, victory is ours. Joy Bangla.

Kalurghat Radio Station's transmission capability was limited. The message was picked up by a Japanese ship in Bay of Bengal and then re-transmitted by Radio Australia and later the British Broadcasting Corporation.

26 March 1971 is hence considered the official Independence Day and according to all Bangladeshi sources, the name Bangladesh was in effect henceforth. Certain sources, especially of Indian and Pakistani origin, continued to use the name "East Pakistan" until the following 16 December.
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Default Posted May 1st, 2006, 01:12 AM #13 (permalink) |
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1. Bangladesh Independence: We all believe Bangladesh independence is the greatest gift to the people but I don’t believe it was for us or the country the leaders fought for… but to RULE (exclude the freedom fighters).

2. Razakars: Some people will call me a RAZAKAR! but I don’t have any problems! I don’t hate razakars but the wrong doers. I am from Sylhet and many talk about independence but if ever there was a war for independent Sylhet I’ll be with the government because I love my Country as a whole not broken in pieces. In this condition if Sylhet was to be an independent country then I’ll be called a Razakar.

3. Shiekh Mujib: I have many reasons to believe that sheikh Mujib only done what he did for power not the peoples. I also can’t call him the father of nation or compare him with Mahatma Gandhi. Why?

A: Bkshal rule- the one party state ("Ek Neta Ek desh Sheikh Mujib Bangladesh")

B: I think it is sad that just for Mujib and his descendants' advantage that many, many other people who did just as much work-if not more have their hard work systematically erased from history by Mujib and his followers; some of them were even murdered.

C: Shiekh Mujib’s sons were known to be in organised crime and the most gruesome activities. I know this because a former Dhaka Police Commissioner told me this.

D: All credit is given to sheikh Mujib but it is true that he was in jail throughout the time of the liberation war, and he did not know that Bangladesh had been created for sometime afterwards as he was stuck in jail. I don’t want to discredit him but…???

4.

A.Shiekh Kamal: There was a tip-off to the Police saying Sheikh Kamal was going to rob a bank; this uncle gave the permission for the police to intercept, as the police 'check-points' verified that it was Shiekh Kamal and his gang travelling toward the Motijeel Commercial Area that night.... the true picture was frightening; they were going to rob a bank- not any bank, but the Bank of Bangladesh. (Sheikh Kamal, eldest son of the Prime minister attempted to rob a bank)
B. Shiekh Kamal violated Major Dalim’s Wife and what did sheikh Mujib do? (Even after getting evidence about the wrong doings of his family members he did not take any action)

5. Major Dalim: What did he do wrong? I would do the same if anyone harassed my wife and got no justice. He also gifted us with a democratic country… If today Bangladesh has corruption then it’s not his fault.

6. The Indian Army: After the surrender of the Pakistan army, the Indian forces stayed back in Bangladesh at the request of Bangladesh government. Indian army took away, all surrendered arms, ammunitions, equipments and vehicles worth millions of dollars. They even dismantled the industries and sent them to India. They even removed all furniture’s, fittings from the cantonments they had occupied. The newspaper Anik estimated the value of the things taken away by the Indian army to be 1000 million US dollars that was published in their issue of December 1974. (Mr. Kamal Siddiqui, a freedom fighter who was appointed as Deputy Commissioner at Khulna just after the liberation wrote a formal note to both the Bangladesh and India governments stating that Indian army was removing machineries, vehicles, equipments worth millions from his district. He at his own initiative tried to resist the Indian army as much as he could in collaboration with the freedom fighters.)

I will post about other peoples in few days after further investigation. Anyone is free to exchange your views or debate and if anyone has any further information then please do forward me with the details because I really need it to wake some people up… I know I’m expecting lot of critics and asking for trouble… long as I can open people’s eyes I don’t care about consequences. Don’t get me wrong… I don’t support any political groups in Bangladesh… I’m member of the human rights group and not allowed to support any political figure/party.


whatever you wrote here is nothing from yours.

you copy paste everything from another forum.

you found this topic from here :


click here you will found from where he copy and paste

http://bangladesh-web.com/view.php?h...00000000044935



PLEASE NOTE THAT : WRITE YOUR OWN OPINION
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Default Posted May 1st, 2006, 01:35 AM #14 (permalink) |
jai hok ....masoom wht i said my previous post all was my personal view wht i feel for my country ...r asole amra koto selfish jati seta tomar post pore abar bujlam ....try to think deeply don c wht ppl try to show think frm ur heart...

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Default Posted May 1st, 2006, 05:28 AM #15 (permalink) |
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whatever you wrote here is nothing from yours.

you copy paste everything from another forum.

you found this topic from here :


click here you will found from where he copy and paste

http://bangladesh-web.com/view.php?h...00000000044935



PLEASE NOTE THAT : WRITE YOUR OWN OPINION
I didn't say its mine... i'm talkin about history and i was not even born then. We all gather information from differant sources. don't you think it would be silly to give personal opinion without gathering information. I do have my own opinons along with other information from various web not just the one you showed. every information shown there, i have investigated not just give opinon like you. What you just said is even in bangladeshi history nothing new, nothing hidden

About razakar thats my personal opinion because here i'm not talking about history so i could give my own view but when talking about history... opinion don't make sense, daaaa!.

I did not paste it but yes copied because that piece of information was useful, which i did investigate and found it to be true.
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Default Posted May 1st, 2006, 05:43 AM #16 (permalink) |
Opinion about history sounds stupid. Some of the qoutes by Masoom is from bbc, and other web. I don't see anything wrong with that Real Shumon? You can’t expect people to give opinions and prove people of history wrong.

Masoom, you fool who the hell gave you this idea to write about Shiekh Mujib & Co Ltd. You <censored><censored><censored><censored>ing lucky mate you live in England.
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Default Posted May 1st, 2006, 06:31 AM #17 (permalink) |
3 million shaheed sacrificed their life for freedom and what did sheikh Mujib want? Make people of Bangladesh slaves again! Where ever there is a Raja you only have praja (slaves).

Why didn’t sheikh Mujib stop the Indian force steeling our property?

Why didn’t sheikh Mujib punish his son for wrong doings?

Why did the people start to hate the so called father of nation?



Do i need to give any opinion...?.
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Declaration of independence

On 26 March, the nation waged an armed struggle against the Pakistani occupation forces following the killings of the night of 25 March. The Pakistani forces arrested Sheikh Mujib, who, through a wireless message, had called upon the people to resist the occupation forces [source: The Daily Star, March 26, 2005]. Mujib was arrested on the night of March 25-26, 1971 at about 1:30 a.m. (per Radio Pakistan’s news on March 29, 1971) which means effectively on March 26, 1971.

On 26 March 1971, M A Hannan, an Awami League leader from Chittagong, is said to have made the first announcement of the declaration of independence over radio,

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman signed an official declaration that read:

Today Bangladesh is a sovereign and independent country. On Thursday night West Pakistani armed forces suddenly attacked the police barracks at Razarbagh and the EPR headquarters at Pilkhana in Dhaka. Many innocent and unarmed have been killed in Dhaka city and other places of Bangladesh. Violent clashes between EPR and Police on the one hand and the armed forces of Pakistan on the other, are going on. The Bengalis are fighting the enemy with great courage for an independent Bangladesh. May God aid us in our fight for freedom. Joy Bangla.

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
25 March 1971

(Source: "The History of the Liberation Movement in Bangladesh" by J. S. Gupta)

A telegram reached some students in Chittagong. They realized the message could be broadcast from Agrabad Station of Radio Pakistan. The message was translated to Bangla by Dr Manjula Anwar. They failed to secure permission from higher authorities to broadcast the message. They crossed Kalurghat Bridge into an area controlled by East Bengal Regiment under Major Ziaur Rahman. Bengali soldiers guarded the station as engineers prepared for transmission. At 19:45 on 26 March 1971, Major Ziaur Rahman broadcast another announcement of the declaration of independence on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur which is as follows.

This is Shadhin Bangla Betar Kendro. I, Major Ziaur Rahman, at the direction of Bangobondhu Mujibur Rahman, hereby declare that the independent People's Republic of Bangladesh has been established. At his direction, I have taken command as the temporary Head of the Republic. In the name of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, I call upon all Bengalis to rise against the attack by the West Pakistani Army. We shall fight to the last to free our Motherland. By the grace of Allah, victory is ours. Joy Bangla.

Kalurghat Radio Station's transmission capability was limited. The message was picked up by a Japanese ship in Bay of Bengal and then re-transmitted by Radio Australia and later the British Broadcasting Corporation.

26 March 1971 is hence considered the official Independence Day and according to all Bangladeshi sources, the name Bangladesh was in effect henceforth. Certain sources, especially of Indian and Pakistani origin, continued to use the name "East Pakistan" until the following 16 December.
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amra manusher bhulta beshi mone rakhi tar bhalo kazer theke..
ami masoom vai er shathe ekmot ze shaikh mujib n tar family shadhinotar por onek kharap kaz korse tobe ami bishash kori pakistan amole bangalider hoye kotha bolar khomota ekmatro tar chilo..abong he did his job very well...zodi bolen mujib shudhu khomotar zonno korse ami tau khushi...khali eituku zani ze amar baba ze govt ke tax dei shei govt 70% nijer pockete rekhe bakita die at least kisu holeu amar nijer desher zonno kore...

ro ekta kotha...ki hoye gese ta nie pore thakata ki bhalo...35 years to kom shomoy na...zodi shaikh mujib r tar bakshal rajniti bhul hoye thake..tobe az amra ki shei bhul theke kisu shikhsi..mone to hoy na....zodi buzho tara bhul vite amader zatitatake dar koray dise...tobe shei vit vangar shahosh ki ase....mone to hoy na...history r pata ghete masoom vai apne za likhsen ta shotty shundor..khali bolen zene ki luv holo kar? ami zanlam r zene kisu shikhlam tar vitor parthokko ase...amar mone hoy amader shikhar shomoy ekhon..shudhu zanar time bohut agei par hoy gese...
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