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Severus · September 15th, 2007, 11:16 PM

declare them hindu

... we'd not mind adding a bit to our population

**BoIRaGi** · September 16th, 2007, 05:22 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Severus
	declare them hindu ... we'd not mind adding a bit to our population

wot de similarity bet em & hinduz ?

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	Quote:			Originally Posted by BoIRaGi
	this vision of mine means that I have been made the platform for divine signs for this era. Whenever Allah wishes to show signs of his power and wisdom He makes me the instrument for such signs.

Boiragi, Don't bother asking, if he was Muslim then he should know that after Muhammed (pbuh) the revelation ended, also read the above text and ask yourself does it make sence?

**BoIRaGi** · 09:48 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Masoom
	Boiragi, Don't bother asking, if he was Muslim then he should know that after Muhammed (pbuh) the revelation ended, also read the above text and ask yourself does it make sence?

hmmmm ....... nice ques !! .... lemme find da ans .....

OK ... here i got da ans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Islam is a complete code of life and the final religion.(Sura Al Maaidah, Verse 4, last portion) We have received this divine blessing from Allah through the greatest of all Prophets Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh). Whatever we have been told by Allah and His Messenger Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) is to be followed. This is the pure Islam.

You have asked a question regarding the death of Hazrat Isa (as). The Ahmadi Muslims believe in his natural death in the authority of the Holy Quran. Allah as declared very categorically in the verse 145 of Chapter 3 (Aal e Imran) ‘Wa ma Muhammadun illa Rasul, Qad Khalat min Qablihir Rusul... And Muhammad is not but a Messenger, surely all messengers have passed away before him. As Hazrat Isa (as) was a Prophet before Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) he has also passed away according to the Quranic verdict. There are other verses which convey the same verdict.

For example, Chapter 5(Maaidah), Verse No. 118, Chapter 3(Aal e Imran), Verse No. 56 prove the same subject. So, according to Allah’s teaching, Hazrat Isa (as) has died a natural death as all other Prophets. Once this point is clear, the question has to be addressed, then who is the Messiah prophesied by the Holy Prophet of Islam (pbuh)?

The answer has been given by himself in the Saheeh Hadith of Ibne Majah in which he (pbuh) has said, Walal Mahdi illa Isa Ibnu Maryam. He said, the Mahdi and Isa is one and the same person!! The same subject has been narrated by him (pbuh) in the tradition collected by Musnad Ahmad bin Humbal Vol. 2, Page 411. So, for the seeker of truth either he has to get someone down from the heavens or he has to accept the divine claim of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) to be the promised Mahdi and Masih.

As far as the Holy Prophet’s status of being the Khataman Nabieen, there is no iota of doubt or hesitation about this in anyone’s mind. Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) is Khataman Nabieen, the Final Law-bearing Prophet of Allah. There will be no new law after him nor will there be any prophet negating his authority. But the Prophet Isa (as) is suppose to come after Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh). If he is a full-fledged Jew prophet of Bani Israel, then where does the Seal of Khatme Nabuwwat stand? The only logical solution is to accept the Quranic verdict regarding the death of earlier Isa and to accept the second advent of Masih as a metaphorical coming.

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thank you for your question . Hazrat Mirza has clearly mentioned: this vision of mine means that I have been made the platform for divine signs for this era. Whenever Allah wishes to show signs of his power and wisdom He makes me the instrument for such signs.
So, he never dared to claim to be God himself!! He is merely an instruments at the hands of Allah. This is what he claimed. All the anti-Ahmadiyya Clergy keep on saying, Mirza Saheb claimed to be God himself. (Nauzubillah). While, the reality is totally opposite. He declared himself to be a servant of God. That is the point which makes perfect sense. Of course, I don't have any instrument to show the light to a man with prejudises.
Please take some time out to read the original text from Aanai Kamlaate Islam.

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	Quote:			Originally Posted by BoIRaGi
	hmmmm ....... nice ques !! .... lemme find da ans ..... OK ... here i got da ans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Islam is a complete code of life and the final religion.(Sura Al Maaidah, Verse 4, last portion) We have received this divine blessing from Allah through the greatest of all Prophets Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh). Whatever we have been told by Allah and His Messenger Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) is to be followed. This is the pure Islam. You have asked a question regarding the death of Hazrat Isa (as). The Ahmadi Muslims believe in his natural death in the authority of the Holy Quran. Allah as declared very categorically in the verse 145 of Chapter 3 (Aal e Imran) ‘Wa ma Muhammadun illa Rasul, Qad Khalat min Qablihir Rusul... And Muhammad is not but a Messenger, surely all messengers have passed away before him. As Hazrat Isa (as) was a Prophet before Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) he has also passed away according to the Quranic verdict. There are other verses which convey the same verdict. For example, Chapter 5(Maaidah), Verse No. 118, Chapter 3(Aal e Imran), Verse No. 56 prove the same subject. So, according to Allah’s teaching, Hazrat Isa (as) has died a natural death as all other Prophets. Once this point is clear, the question has to be addressed, then who is the Messiah prophesied by the Holy Prophet of Islam (pbuh)? The answer has been given by himself in the Saheeh Hadith of Ibne Majah in which he (pbuh) has said, Walal Mahdi illa Isa Ibnu Maryam. He said, the Mahdi and Isa is one and the same person!! The same subject has been narrated by him (pbuh) in the tradition collected by Musnad Ahmad bin Humbal Vol. 2, Page 411. So, for the seeker of truth either he has to get someone down from the heavens or he has to accept the divine claim of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) to be the promised Mahdi and Masih. As far as the Holy Prophet’s status of being the Khataman Nabieen, there is no iota of doubt or hesitation about this in anyone’s mind. Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) is Khataman Nabieen, the Final Law-bearing Prophet of Allah. There will be no new law after him nor will there be any prophet negating his authority. But the Prophet Isa (as) is suppose to come after Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh). If he is a full-fledged Jew prophet of Bani Israel, then where does the Seal of Khatme Nabuwwat stand? The only logical solution is to accept the Quranic verdict regarding the death of earlier Isa and to accept the second advent of Masih as a metaphorical coming. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ thank you for your question . Hazrat Mirza has clearly mentioned: this vision of mine means that I have been made the platform for divine signs for this era. Whenever Allah wishes to show signs of his power and wisdom He makes me the instrument for such signs. So, he never dared to claim to be God himself!! He is merely an instruments at the hands of Allah. This is what he claimed. All the anti-Ahmadiyya Clergy keep on saying, Mirza Saheb claimed to be God himself. (Nauzubillah). While, the reality is totally opposite. He declared himself to be a servant of God. That is the point which makes perfect sense. Of course, I don't have any instrument to show the light to a man with prejudises. Please take some time out to read the original text from Aanai Kamlaate Islam.

1. Mehedi is not Isa.
2.[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Muslims believe that Jesus is alive in heaven and will return to the world in the flesh with Imam Mehedi to defeat the Dajjal ("Deceiver"; the Antichrist in Islamic belief) once the world has become filled with sin, deception and injustice, and then live out the rest of his natural life.[/font]

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Main article: Ahmadiyya[/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908), the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement, wrote in his book Jesus in India (April 1896) that Jesus survived the crucifixion and later travelled to India, where he lived as a prophet (and died) under the name of Yuz Asaf. Ahmad argued that when Jesus was taken down from the cross, he had lapsed into a state similar to Jonah's state of "swoon" in the belly of a fish Matthew 12:40 (see swoon hypothesis). A medicine known as Marham-e-Issa Ointment of Jesus was applied to his wounds and he revived. Drawing from Biblical, Quranic and Buddhist scriptures, Ahmad wrote that Jesus appeared to Mary, his apostles and others with the same (not resurrected) human body, evidenced by his human wounds and his subsequent clandestine rendezvous over about forty days in the Jerusalem surroundings. The book uses historical documents to suggest Jesus' travel to Nasibain (Nisbis), Afghanistan and then to Kashmir in search of some of the lost tribes of Israel [1], who had supposedly settled in the east some 700 years prior.[/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Most Ahmadi Muslims also believe that references to the Second Coming of Jesus in religious scriptures are allegorical and refer to the arrival of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The Ahmadi view of Jesus is one of the main reasons why the movement is considered heretical by mainstream Muslims.[/font]
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I hope you understand why i said don't bother, even here they will have an explaination but fact is what has been already said, recodorded and believed for centuary's.[/font][/font]

**BoIRaGi** · 04:39 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Masoom
	1. Mehedi is not Isa. 2.[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Muslims believe that Jesus is alive in heaven and will return to the world in the flesh with Imam Mehedi to defeat the Dajjal ("Deceiver"; the Antichrist in Islamic belief) once the world has become filled with sin, deception and injustice, and then live out the rest of his natural life.[/font]

Can u Prove it by any Verse of the Holy Quran / Hadith that Jesus went to heaven alive in flesh ? ...... ( Coz if he will return in flesh then he must 've alive in flesh too )

I got ur point .. but wot 'll be ur ans against this para >>>>

But the Prophet Isa (as) is suppose to come after Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh). If he is a full-fledged Jew prophet of Bani Israel, then where does the Seal of Khatme Nabuwwat stand? The only logical solution is to accept the Quranic verdict regarding the death of earlier Isa and to accept the second advent of Masih as a metaphorical coming.

i ll let u noe about the second part of ur post as soon as i get the ans.......

Asmani · 08:45 AM

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	But the Prophet Isa (as) is suppose to come after Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh). If he is a full-fledged Jew prophet of Bani Israel, then where does the Seal of Khatme Nabuwwat stand? The only logical solution is to accept the Quranic verdict regarding the death of earlier Isa and to accept the second advent of Masih as a metaphorical coming.

khatme nubuwwat = end of prophethood.
the retun of Isa will not nullify the above quranic verdict bcz Isa (pbuh) was granted prophethood before muhammed.

Terrible idea, Severus.
Hindus will commit genocide against them for the claim of mirza wud've to be
' i believe that i m a cow."