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Default Posted September 7th, 2007, 01:31 PM #11 (permalink) |
Thanks Reev. amar moner kotha bolecho...amio Dhormo niye debate korar pochondo korina. Ami amar dhormo ke joteshto respect kori.

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JUST WANNA ADD GUYS... ITS NOT A SIN TO ASK QUESTION ABOUT DA RELIGION COZ WEN U GET DA ANSWER U WILL START TO RESPECT DA RELIGION MORE... WE AVE BEEN TOLD TO SEEK KNOWLEDGE SO WE CAN PASS IT ON TO OTHERS N AVE MUCH GREATER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE RELIGION.....
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Default Posted September 9th, 2007, 12:09 AM #13 (permalink) |
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I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have belived that I am God.
(Rohanni Khazaa'in Page 564, Vol 5)
...teaches that the door of prophethood is open, even after the final prophet Muhammad (SAW)
so i conclude that they are not another group of muslim neither do they follow some twisted rules of islam.
they are infidels.
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Default Posted September 9th, 2007, 12:51 AM #14 (permalink) |
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they are infidels.
going by your reasoning(!) YES they r

I cud just as easily call you an infidel if i were to adhere to a different train of thought; nothing wrong in doing so either; however i doubt you would much like it being branded an infidel
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I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have belived that I am God.
(Rohanni Khazaa'in Page 564, Vol 5)
...teaches that the door of prophethood is open, even after the final prophet Muhammad (SAW)



..claims that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is Muhammad! the messenger of Allah (SWT).

interesting quotes .... tnkx for the infO masoom brO ... gotta collect more infoz abut it ... and ll post here ASAP !!!!




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i ve asked this question to an Ahmadi scholar .... he replied --->>>



These anti-Ahmadiyya clergy have used all their abilities in negating the divine claim of Hazrat Mirza Saheb. They have twisted the facts to distract masses from the true disciple of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(sa). I'll give one example which should enough to make any seeker of truth. This so called Maulana has qouted Mirza Saheb as saying:


I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have belived that I am God.


(Rohanni Khazaa'in Page 564, Vol 5).


Now, this gives the impression that he has claimed to be Allah himself. (God forbid). Never! First of all, this is a vision Mirza Saheb is narrating. Visions have deep inner meanings. And Mirza Saheb has himself explained the meaning of the dream in length for the next two pages!! If the 'Maulana' had the the least of taqwa he should have quoted the next two lines also. Mirza Saheb has continued by saying that

this vision of mine means that I have been made the platform for divine signs for this era. Whenever Allah wishes to show signs of his power and wisdom He makes me the instrument for such signs.


Can anyone with fear of Allah at heart say that this means that he claimed to be God? He is only claiming to be the manifestation of Allah's divine signs. This is exactly how Allah has proved his existence through his chosen ones in every age.

I challenge any Maulvi or Maulana if he could prove from this writing or any other extarct written by Hazrat Mirza Saheb that he has claimed to be God, I'll leave Ahmadiyyat in a second without indulging in any other subject. The person who claims to be Allah himself is worth rejecting instantly.


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I cud just as easily call you an infidel if i were to adhere to a different train of thought; nothing wrong in doing so either; however i doubt you would much like it being branded an infidel
No, you cannot call me an infidel if you just were to adhere to a different train of thought. If you could, you would call everyone that don't fall under ur belief an infidel.. in return, they'd also call you infidel bcz you belong to a train of thought different than theirs. thus everyone would have to be an infidel.
luckily, the word infidel has a meaningful meaning. Say, ur train of thought is named " Y". in order for you you to label me as an infidel, I woud have to turn Y upside down and still call it Y. in other words,
I'm not only messing up ur train of thought, I'm also damaging your image by claiming that these are your train of thought. this is exactly what Qadyanis are doing; as you can see just by looking at one single line :


I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have belived that I am God.
(Rohanni Khazaa'in Page 564, Vol 5)


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I (Mirza) saw in a dream that I am God. I have belived that I am God.(Rohanni Khazaa'in Page 564, Vol 5).


Now, this gives the impression that he has claimed to be Allah himself.
duhh! obviously.
not only the impression but a clear picture of mirza in toilet. he died in toilet
did you ask him in person ? could you verify if thats how he died ?
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~From the evil of that which He created;
~ From the evil of the darkness when it is intense;
~ from the evil of malignant witchcraft,
~And from the evil of the envier when he envies.
Quran (Al-Falaq)
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in·fi·del /ˈɪndl, -ˌdɛl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fi-dl, -del] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1.Religion.

a.a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity.
b.(in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim.
c.(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

2.a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.

3.(loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.


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No, you cannot call me an infidel if you just were to adhere to a different train of thought.
going by the above definitions: Yes, i can

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If you could, you would call everyone that don't fall under ur belief an infidel.. in return, they'd also call you infidel bcz you belong to a train of thought different than theirs. thus everyone would have to be an infidel.
right-o


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