Hijab Debate (Masoom vs Severus)

Personal statement

It is very sad that we have to debate for the right of a woman to choose what she wants to wear or what not to. I will first clarify my self in support of my standings and give my reasons for this debate.
I am here to debate not for winning but to try to explain not just to you (Severus) but all who deny woman’s the right to wear hijab.

Hijab is not a problem for the modern world/society but it’s the fact that today we are made to believe that only the western culture is right and in favour of modernisation and anyone who denies it is against modernisation, is a terrorist or someone who is against humanity. It is shameful that we are falling for it, today we will fight our parents, elders and anyone who believes opposite saying that they are old and don’t understand the modern world, even though it might be adopting another complete different culture from their own.

Why Islam only asks woman’s to wear hijab?

Lets face the fact guys, woman’s are much more attractive and orchestrated in the most perfect shape then any man’s, and a woman is most likely to be raped (with eyes) everyday she takes to the street. This is the reason most will give to justify their stance against Hijab but not once realise that it’s a western, media propaganda, western woman can walk half naked and we will not think that’s bad but A woman who is comfortable being covered is denied freedom of choice.

Hypocrisy

Most people who shout that hijab is not right and deny woman’s freedom! Aren’t they actually the ones denying woman’s freedom? As I stated above if a woman is allowed to walk half naked then why shouldn’t the other not be given the same freedom to wear hijab.
Hijab has been worn for century’s, why only now we have problems! Please don’t say it’s because of terrorist attacks as most attacks have been made by man’s and hijab will not help commit such acts, yes niqab might just help you to forge cctv but helmet can do that, sorry for the of topic explanation as niqab is not what we are debating about.

Debate:

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Please note: this is a debate between myself and Severus only. You are free to agree with anyone of us by thanking but can’t disagree or post unfortunately. I also would like to make something clear, as this is a debate we both might use statements that you might not like but please do keep in mind it is a debate and anything said does not necessarily reflect our belief, mind or personality which ever way you want to put.

Thank you.

I edited the title. I hope you don't mind.

Okay please carry on.

Hijab :

Hijab can be defined a extensive cloth that women wear to hide their appearance partially or entirely to hide their features from the eyes of other peoples. The Hijab is not an ancient invention. In fact it can be dated within the past 2000 century. Hijab is mainly made popular by the Islamic culture. Apart from that, almost all the races in the world were unfamiliar of hijabs as cloths. In ancient Greece women were not allowed to come out of home or if they were out, they were to come out vehicles (slave powered) enclosed in such way that no one could see what is inside. In short, their transport or home was entirely turned into hijab. This was also a custom in India and Ancient Arabia or Persia. But this was also a luxury only rich people could afford. So the nomadic, tribal, farmer, slave, poor merchant, worker women never used any form of hijab. After Muslim conquered the power in Mecca, hijab became more popular, mainly because religious purpose and to keep pace with the new state religion. Even, this could not ensure hijab as a common wear among women, when Islam began to spread around the world. Mostly rich or elegant Muslim families wore full hijabs, where the poor Muslim families began to resort to short hijabs such as , “ghumta” or similar wears.

Why hijab was introduced :

Minorly to prevent them from male sexual predators. But the main reason is a jealousy type issue. It is because what people consider as a property, is something they want to protect from other people. Unfortunately, women had been treated as a property by men since the ancient ages. So when someone else looks at someone’s wife or mistress, some jealousy issues are caused. Which is why, a man tries to hide their women from the eyes of other men.

It is religiously approved idea that women are inferior to man. The idea of Eve or Mother Hawya being created from Adam or Adom’s rib is the first sign of God that women are inferior creature than men. Also women are blamed for the original sin. In Quran, men are assigned as the protector of women and they are so much permitted to punish the women if they don’t obey their man. So, in short, women are men’s property. A wife doesn’t inherit her dead husband’s property, but a daughter does, although she gets half of what each of her brother gets. So, even a daughter gets half rights than her brothers.

Therefore, although most men claim that women have to wear hijab for moral and religious issue and without wearing they cause great sin. Most men go that far to claim that women who get raped, is because they didn’t hide themselves from the eyes of men. In short, being a victim of men’s last is women’s fault. So, men never learn to control themselves, because in the bottom of their mind they treat women as a lustful object, or property that they try to earn legally or illegally or forcefully.

This is why women should stop wearing hijab, because hijab doesn’t really protect them. If outside men don’t see them, their own husbands will abuse them in home and marry multiple. They don’t give you the right in your home, they wont let you study the subject you prefer at university, they don’t let you marry the man you love, they demand money or dowry to marry you, they don’t let you work and demand that you must be only a housewife. Hijab is a sign of women’s enslavement that a man tries to protect his bare property.

Hijab:

Hijab can be defined an extensive cloth that women wear to hide their appearance partially or entirely to hide their features from the eyes of other peoples. The Hijab is not an ancient invention. In fact it can be dated within the past 2000 century. Hijab is mainly made popular by the Islamic culture. Apart from that, almost all the races in the world were unfamiliar of hijabs as cloths. In ancient Greece women were not allowed to come out of home or if they were out, they were to come out vehicles (slave powered) enclosed in such way that no one could see what is inside. In short, their transport or home was entirely turned into hijab. This was also a custom in India and Ancient Arabia or Persia. But this was also a luxury only rich people could afford. So the nomadic, tribal, farmer, slave, poor merchant, worker women never used any form of hijab. After Muslim conquered the power in Mecca, hijab became more popular, mainly because religious purpose and to keep pace with the new state religion. Even, this could not ensure hijab as a common wear among women, when Islam began to spread around the world. Mostly rich or elegant Muslim families wore full hijabs, where the poor Muslim families began to resort to short hijabs such as , “ghumta” or similar wears.

Not interested in history as this debate is about should woman have the right to wear it or not.


Why hijab was introduced

Minorly to prevent them from male sexual predators. But the main reason is a jealousy type issue. It is because what people consider as a property, is something they want to protect from other people. Unfortunately, women had been treated as a property by men since the ancient ages. So when someone else looks at someone’s wife or mistress, some jealousy issues are caused. Which is why, a man tries to hide their women from the eyes of other men.

This is your personal opinion and varies with every individual. You have people that don’t wear hijab and still think of wife as their property so how do you come to conclusion that only people believe to be dressed moderately are the victims of jealousy.

It is religiously approved idea that women are inferior to man. The idea of Eve or Mother Hawya being created from Adam or Adom’s rib is the first sign of God that women are inferior creature than men. Also women are blamed for the original sin. In Quran, men are assigned as the protector of women and they are so much permitted to punish the women if they don’t obey their man. So, in short, women are men’s property. A wife doesn’t inherit her dead husband’s property, but a daughter does, although she gets half of what each of her brother gets. So, even a daughter gets half rights than her brothers.

1. If you are saying making eve form Adam’s rib makes woman inferior creature, then what explanation do you have that since then we all was given birth by a woman.

2. Woman’s are not permitted to be punished for no reason and Islam was the first to give woman’s human status as your relating the Quran, in Hinduism a woman was to be
burnt alive if their husband died before, Christianity treated woman as slaves.

3. What is wrong asking a man to protect his wife/daughter/sister? The non-Muslims don’t follow the Quran then why do they look up to a man to protect them? Hold on! Don’t talk about the minorities that think/say they can protect them self.

4. In short woman’s are not man’s property but their partner/support/love etc, unless you are talking about an ill minded person and that could be anyone, even an atheist.

5.
A. A Woman doesn’t get anything after her husband dies us her children has a duty to provide and support their mother, and it is also to protect young children/children as if she was to get married again her second husband does not demand her share, but yes if her second husband could be a good father then the children have every rights to write everything on there step fathers name.

B. A daughter is only to get half of what the brothers get, is because she is to get married to another man who has no duty to provide or support her parents, while her brothers have a duty to support/provide and look after their parents. A daughter also will be supported by her husband while the brothers are to support their wife and children.

Therefore, although most men claim that women have to wear hijab for moral and religious issue and without wearing they cause great sin. Most men go that far to claim that women who get raped, is because they didn’t hide themselves from the eyes of men. In short, being a victim of men’s last is women’s fault. So, men never learn to control themselves, because in the bottom of their mind they treat women as a lustful object, or property that they try to earn legally or illegally or forcefully.

Personal opinion and depends on individuals again. We have the court to decide this as it is illegal in majority counties including here in the United Kingdom to dress very reviling cloths and Islam rejects this popular doctrine. no one can carry the blames for the sin that was committed by another*..

This is why women should stop wearing hijab, because hijab doesn’t really protect them. If outside men don’t see them, their own husbands will abuse them in home and marry multiple. They don’t give you the right in your home, they won’t let you study the subject you prefer at university, they don’t let you marry the man you love, they demand money or dowry to marry you, they don’t let you work and demand that you must be only a housewife. Hijab is a sign of women’s enslavement that a man tries to protect his bare property.

1. As you say Hijab doesn’t protect them you are being more advisory I guess and this is not something I will debate as you seem to have already gave-up and your advice is yours personal and it’s up to the woman to decide if it does protect her and is it only for protection she wears or feeling more comfortable as well.

2. outside man seeing her what protection will that give anyone if they were married to a animal who thinks of his wife as a slave, this is hilarious.

3. Everything here your saying is again about individuals and Islam plays no part in it, because Islam does not stop woman go to university, It is forbidden in Islam to ask for dowry to a woman but an obligation for a man to give dower (Mahr) to his wife that she could use it the way she wants to, Islam tells a man to help and support their wife and treat them as you will want to be treated.

4. Hijab is a sign of woman’s enslavement is out of question as you failed to give one strong reason or even just a reason but rather you chose to mix everything together and make this subject more confusing as it was about why woman should not wear Hijab if they chose to and not Islam, Quran or any other things you have added.

I have every right to believe that you have no evidence, explanations or any grounds to support your claim, and for that reason I dismiss your claims with the belief that I have been able to lift your burdens of concern (proof);

Because:

1.You are intentionally targeting other people who may be confused with your opinions and lies that have no explanations or evidence to support it.

2. Your debate is with me but you have made no attempts engaging or proving my first posts/concerns wrong but rather used psychological advice that could make people hostile to your beliefs and that with no evidence/grounds to support it.

3.You have failed to give any reasons, why a woman should be denied the rights to wear Hijab which is the subject of this debate but rather chose to take advantage and post your opinion and belief that forced me to engage in debate about Islam which I had no intention as I am not qualified.

4. You have failed to provide any negative explanations that why woman’s should not wear Hijab but rather used personal opinion that a woman wearing Hijab would symbolize her faith that she might be proud of.

Off topic

I am sorry for this off topic posts but you started it and I have to explain so people don’t get the wrong impression about Islam.

Dowry was certainly not the 'Sunnah' of the Prophet (swa). Fatimah was his favorite daughter, but he neither gave her a lavish dowry. Even when Fatimah made a request to him for something, he only gave her the benefit of his counsel.

your concerns/thoughts are not the fault of any religion but our culture and man made rules.



In black are the quotes taken from Severus’s post
and in bold my explanations.