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This is a discussion on Tajmahal: The True Story within the Debate & Arguments forums, part of HARDtalk category; wow...really interesting info Goru... anyways, below r some extracts frm the wikipedia souces referred by Eros da...these should provide some idea on the credibility of the source of the first ...

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Default Posted January 24th, 2008, 11:58 PM #11 (permalink) |
wow...really interesting info Goru...
anyways, below r some extracts frm the wikipedia souces referred by Eros da...these should provide some idea on the credibility of the source of the first article, i.e. P.N. Oak...these may also fortify Severus' first comment/respond "a hindu propaganda"...but we do have to admit that Oak has come up with some interesting n really manipulative information...

"Oak's theories have been publicized by some contemporary Hindutva (Hindu nationalist) activists. However, none of Oak's assertions have been accepted by mainstream scholars of religion or of architectural history. One of his critic, editor of The Hindu newspaper, Narasimhan Ram a well known communist sympathiser calls him a "Sangh historian"[6]."

"Oak's theories, viewed as 'eccentric' fringe scholarship, have rarely been directly discussed by mainstream scholars. Carl Ernst and Annmarie Schimmel write:
"The more extreme manifestations of anti-Muslim sentiment are visible .... ; examples that come to mind include .... the eccentric P. N. Oak, whose "Committee to Rewrite Indian History" maintains that there is no Islamic architecture in India, only defaced Hindu buildings." (p. 36) [7] "

"Oak has sued to break open the cenotaphs, and to tear down brick walls in the lower plinth: In these "fake tombs" and "sealed apartments", Oak says Shivalingams or other temple items were hidden by Shah Jahan.[5] According to Oak, the Indian government's refusal to allow him unfettered access amounts to a conspiracy against Hinduism."

"In 2000 India's Supreme Court dismissed Oak's petition to declare that a Hindu king built the Taj Mahal and reprimanded him for bringing the action, saying he had a "bee in his bonnet" about the Taj."
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Default Posted January 25th, 2008, 12:10 AM #12 (permalink) |
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1.The term Tajmahal itself never occurs in any mogul court paper or chronicle even in Aurangzeb's time. The attempt to explain it away as Taj-i-mahal is therefore, ridiculous. > you cant call it rediculous without showing it's earliest reference to the name

2.The ending "Mahal"is never muslim because in none of the muslim countries around the world from Afghanistan to Algeria is there a building known as "Mahal". - there is no language called 'muslim' , muslim people around the word uses various language. But you can find a lot of structures throughout the india built the time during mughal empire called 'mahal' ... mahal is a farsi word. and same word from same language may used differently in different locations.


3.The unusual explanation of the term Tajmahal derives from Mumtaz Mahal, who is buried in it, is illogical in at least two respects viz., firstly her name was never Mumtaj Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani and secondly one cannot omit the first three letters "Mum" from a woman's name to derive the remainder as the name of the building. - in middle ages the full name of a person was irrevalent. people were refered by one word names.

4.Since the lady's name was Mumtaz (ending with 'Z') the name of the building derived from her should have been Taz Mahal, if at all, and not Taj (spelled with a 'J'). -- i suppose they didnt use the english letters for naming.

5.Several European visitors of Shahjahan's time allude to the building as Taj-e-Mahal is almost the correct tradition, age old Sanskrit name Tej-o-Mahalaya, signifying a Shiva temple. Contrarily Shahjahan and Aurangzeb scrupulously avoid using the Sanskrit term and call it just a holy grave. -- no clue to this one. show proof.

6.The tomb should be understood to signify NOT A BUILDING but only the grave or centotaph inside it. This would help people to realize that all dead muslim courtiers and royalty including Humayun, Akbar, Mumtaz, Etmad-ud-Daula and Safdarjang have been buried in capture Hindu mansions and temples. -- they were burried in their cuz of the grandure of the captured building.

7.Moreover, if the Taj is believed to be a burial place, how can the term Mahal, i.e., mansion apply to it? -- not all burial places in mughal periods are termed as 'burial place' ... some are used as mosques and termed as mosques.

8.Since the term Taj Mahal does not occur in mogul courts it is absurd to search for any mogul explanation for it. Both its components namely, 'Taj' and' Mahal' are of Sanskrit origin. -- none of them are from sanskrit origin . tej is a sanskrit word, not taj. Mohal is a faarsi wor
d .

The language Urdu which developed from many languages like Hindi Sanskrit Arabic Persian Hibru and came in a form of a language from the time of Amir Khusru(1253-1325) and was popular among North Indians specially in Delhi and UP .And at the time of Mughals it was almost a popular language among the ordinary folk who were not royal persons because Mughals used Persian as there official language.

So the word Taj Mahal may come from Urdu.

The name of Mumtazmahal was not
Mumtaz-ul-Zamani but Arzumand Banoo,who was the daughter of Persian noble Abdul Hasan Asaf Khan , a courtier of Jahangir and he was also brother of Nur Jahan(her orijinal name was Meher-Unnisa) .

I don't know who wrote this article and why but I am doubtful about it's authenticity

I don't think P.N.Oak is an Indian name .I have never heard this kind of sername
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P.N. Oak >> Purushottam Nagesh Oak is an Indian writer on history. According to the introduction of one of his books, he was born in Indore, Madhya Pradesh. During World War II he joined the Indian National Army, which fought with the Japanese against the British. He obtained M.A and L.L.B degrees from Mumbai University. From 1947 to 1953 he was a reporter for the The Hindustan Times and The Statesman newspapers. From 1953 to 1957, he worked in India's Central Radio and Public Ministry. From 1959 to 1974, he worked at the American Embassy in New Delhi.

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There are stories... they dont become a part of History as they are not full proofed and well researched.. If this story had something really to debate on ...it wud have been discussed broadly in Indian Historical Research to change the time line of history ... but it is making some debate in mere forum which proves its worth.
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eta to kichhu anek din ager kotha noy Sahjahan -er somoy anek kichhu age noy
ekhane anuman-er kichu nei.aanek historical proof achhe .
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Default Posted January 26th, 2008, 02:34 PM #16 (permalink) |
i had built tajmahal over an ancient UFO site ! who is this oak thuu ?
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