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Thumbs up Problems of Muslims, Posted November 14th, 2006, 11:52 PM #1 (permalink) |
Hi frndz
as a Muslim i tryed 2 find out our pblms why we r loosing our respect and control all over the world and in this consequence
i got the following answers:

1. 1st we hv 2 giv a look to our history. if we observ carefully we see tht after th dead of Prophet and 1st 2 Caliphs the fight for power began wich is still going 1 all over the Muslim countries in the recent world. So if we can't maintain our house how can we xpect tht we ll maintain our outside world!!!

2. Our 2nd draw back is our Economic instability. some Muslim Countries are rich but they can not build their enonomy to retain the progress as their wealth is gifted by Allah and they had no effort to earn it. One th other hand most of th Muslim countries fighting with poverty and getting more dependent upon th developed countries day by day.

3. Still 2day we r fighting among the different Sects (Shia sunni conflict in pakistan,IraQ,Afghanistan.. kadianni pblm in bangladesh etc ) which the Europian complited in ninteenth century..LOL.

4. It became our habit 2 blame th jews community for every kind of acts of USA and UK. But why they r giving priority to them!! cause they obtained the position. Chaina and India also did the same and established their voice in the post Cold War world. But all the time we 4get tht and we xpect their respect as a generosity.

i don wanna mak my post longer and xpecting 2 share my other opinion later. so if u hv any comment plz input. any kind of negativ or positiv coments r granted.
but plz kau direct Kada sura suri korben na.

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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 12:26 AM #2 (permalink) |
Totally agree with u bro.....

But amader Muslim community eto strong na.... ami mone kori etai amader main prob...... aro thakte pare hoito....

Jak.. nice thread D:








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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 01:02 AM #3 (permalink) |
After reading the name of your thread expected something good but was disappointed!!!

I wouldn’t make any comments but 1, because as a Muslim it’s my duty to protect the Sahabas. What reference are you coating from to make this claim that after the two Caliphs the power struggle started? Osman (RA), Ali (RA) never fought for power!

Your thread does not make sense, neither your claims!!!
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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 01:16 AM #4 (permalink) |
shomoy-r obhabe detailed respond korte partesina...etukui bolbo je i totally agree with pt 3 and 4 with lawman mamu...ar kono dhorme (hinduism chara) bodhoy nijeder moddhe eto maramari hoy nai ba hoitese na...can't comment on pt 1 coz my knowledge is limited (not sure if ur claim is right on that)...
j/k, bakituk pore post korbo......
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What reference are you coating from to make this claim that after the two Caliphs the power struggle started? Osman (RA), Ali (RA) never fought for power!
thx 4 ur post..bcoz u gav me opportunity to make it clear:

In islam there is no clear procedure to appoint the Leader and thts why when Abu Bakar (R) and Omar (R) died their were several persons who can hold the post (as they were not so big leaders lik previous 2 Caliph). so as there was an apprehension of happening of unwanted events Shahaba Abdur Rahman proposed the name of Osman(R).

[Pp-192,193 History of Islam- Hasan Ali Choudhury ]
and all accepted the name. But tht was the begining of blood shade. According to Syed Amir Ali-
"His election proved in the end the ruin of Islam....under Othman commenced that bitter feud between the Hashimides and the Ommeyades which lasted for over a century"

Another Quote by famous historian Moor-
"It led to dissensions which for years bathed the Moslem World in blood"
i think these r enough to prove Osman (R)'s Caliphate

Next comes the age of Ali(R). Beter i shldn't discuss now. bcoz most of us knws it well. Only 4 ur kind of information during the period of Ali, Islam observed the Battle of the Camel which was the first battle among the muslims (Ali (R) Vs Ma Aysha)



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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 05:50 AM #6 (permalink) |
ur ref don't xplain wat u tryin to prove
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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 05:53 AM #7 (permalink) |
I certainly don’t want to debate with you about religion… you have no clue and your references are just like you. Your references don’t prove your claims about power struggle. Just reading is not enough common sense is needed to make claim, especially serious matters like this.

I would not bother replying to your posts regarding this matter so please don’t ask me anything. I am willing to debate but with someone that has a clue of what they say and can explain them self and the references.

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Well personally I think da first thing is Allah ... We r not keepin him in da very deep part of our Heart ... Dat is main porblem ... diz thing we r lackin ... After diz ... everythin comes ...
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1. 1st we hv 2 giv a look to our history. if we observ carefully we see tht after th dead of Prophet and 1st 2 Caliphs the fight for power began wich is still going 1 all over the Muslim countries in the recent world. So if we can't maintain our house how can we xpect tht we ll maintain our outside world!!!

jodio history amar khub ekta jananai, tobe personally amar mone hoi na musolman der modhe leadership problem ta khub boro kono problem chilo.

amra pichiye achi karon god amader ja korte boleche, je pothe cholte boleche ta amra korina, thats the main problem we have.

er ai dhoroner bisoi nia debate kore khub ekta besidur jaoa jabe na karon amader karori islamic history sommondhe khub ekta jana nai.

<actually lawman4all vai amke ai thread a kisu post korar jonno onurodh koresilo bole ami post korlam>


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Hmm Goru Kaka ... True ... We r Fighting over this matters bcuz we r not actually followin wut Allah told us to do So ... Well may b some of us don noe proper history of Islam ... but u cant say diz about we all ... Who knows we may hav someone who actually knows a lot about Islamic History ... But plz guyz don post nethin about History if u r not Sure about it ...
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