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Default Dirty fact2!! Debate!!, Posted November 13th, 2006, 09:52 PM #1 (permalink) |
We the Muslims today fear and feel that we are feared, seen as terrorists and some feel scared, ashamed to introduce him/her self as Muslims. If today we are ashamed, scared or turning away from our religion then what would happen tomorrow! At least in our time we have seen some positive side of our religion but the way we are turning away from the religion, next generation will have nothing positive to think about religion and humanity will disappear so would freedom, respect, love etc that the so called democratic free world government claim fighting wars to save!

Some say religion is a burden to our freedom but what about land security and the so called terrorism! We have lost our freedom ages ago and that was not because of religion but so called security. In many countries already we have our phones being tapped, ID cards being introduced, CCTV camera everywhere, and we do not have any, once called “FREEDOM of SPEECH“ we could also be held in custody for along time if suspected any linkage with terrorist networks. Now that’s a question how do we save our self being a suspect when only being a Muslim is reason enough to be a suspect. (Brazilian boy shot dead (mistaken for a Muslim) running on a underground station with a bag, who later was found innocent! Bengali boy from Forest Gate, London, shot dead under investigation of terrorist plot after further investigation the Metropolitan Police came under heavy critics when he was declared innocent! every year hundreds of Muslim are departed from USA airport who hold a valid visa and the reason for departing is none other then, being A MUSLIM! Israel could cause genocide and have nuclear bombs but Iran can‘t!)

The most arguable debate today within our community is when we say this war is not against terrorists but Islam. I don’t believe its only against Islam but religions because if anything is a barrier between the New World Order and its satanic ideologies then its none other then Religion but now much people from other religion is not so committed so only people that is a threat to the Masonic free world order is none other then the Muslims. This is why only Muslims are branded as Terrorists, threat to freedom and the modern world not people from other race or religion.
We all blame the American government for all atrocities when in fact its not the American government but the CIA which is beyond any law, any government. George Bush Senior being a high CIA official after coming to power speeded the process that was being done anonymously with great caution and care. His master plan was a failure after the Gulf war and economic disaster he was thrown out of power only to learn from his mistakes, and those mistakes was not to be carried out again but they were running out of patients and determined to complete the task so another master plan was needed, a plan that would give them the support, reasons, and a cover up so that they can threaten anyone saying “Your either with us or with the terrorists (Bush junior)” and this plan was successful with the most deadly conspiracy, 9 11!!!.

9 11 undoubtedly could be called a new diversion to another new world, but who was behind the 9 11 plot? Who gained from it? Well this could be debated some unfolding the conspiracy while the other adding “theory”. Link below does give some evidence that the plain crashed into the world trade centre were actually missiles!! Taliban leaders were only asking for proof, then why was America in such hurry to bombard a country which is hardly a match to the world super power? Why later Saddam was blamed for the same cause? When no WMD was found in Iraq why is American Army in there and interfering with government policies? Its very strange that only now people came to realise that Iraq war is not justifiable and all this was only possible because the war being fought is against Muslims, the Muslims that killed many thousand Americans, the master mind of 9 11. After the 9 11 the government had a reason to change anything that suites them or change any policies without the need to worry about public reactions.

Letsroll911.org - 911 Was An Inside Job - Time for a Revolution

Another big player in this game is the media, After the 9 11 aftermath Palestinians people were shown celebrating when later many rumours were going around that those videos were from previous recordings after Iraq withdrew from Kuwait, later independent enquiry did find that many Palestinians at that moment didn’t even know about the 9 11 attacks but no major media agency reported this news!! Every incident that involves Muslims the media are first to report “Islamist, terrorist” attack. Lets not forget the media were first to tag Muslims as terrorist, regardless of who or what they are. Taliban and Bin-Laden were called freedom fighters at the time of fighting the Russian occupation then why now terrorists.

With great regret and disgrace I have to admit that we have already lost this war and the master plan this time was a success!!


I forgot to mention about President Kennedy who did not support the CIA, and we all know what happened to him, another person I would like to mention from the many CIA hit list is Malcolm X.

Not convinced!! Please answer this question: How did people phone from the planes?
When scientifically it’s proven that it’s not possible!! And now Arab Emirates are wasting millions of dollar for this new technology so people can use Mobile phones on board!!
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Default Posted November 13th, 2006, 10:22 PM #2 (permalink) |
Truly speaking i did not read ur topic 1st 2 last but jatuku porsi ter shobi jana!so ami mone kori tomar topic ta nia amar alochona na korai valo.

i just wanna ask u one question,
there r many religions in th world but why Islam and only Islam nia ato pblm!!!
plz don't giv me a big ans.just in a brief form.

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Default Posted November 13th, 2006, 11:02 PM #3 (permalink) |
Please guys NO off topic posts. Your off topic posts makes it hard to find a debatable post and answer it.

Lawman4all, I don’t find it necessary to answer your question again! I have answered this question on my post already.
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Default Posted November 14th, 2006, 09:37 AM #4 (permalink) |
Masoom I agree with most of your views but as a Muslim I do not need to prove my self

The one call Muslim or people from any religion terrorist are dumb and why should I care what dumb people think? Terrorists don’t have a religion and CIA or who ever playing this dirty game are the biggest looser… you don’t win when you play by yourself.

I definitely agree with you about 9 11, Osama Bin Laden did not have sufficient technology nor have access to such classified information to carry out such sophisticated mission against the most secured, powerful country in the world.
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i just wanna ask u one question,
there r many religions in th world but why Islam and only Islam nia ato pblm!!!
plz don't giv me a big ans.just in a brief form.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5190/fireql9.gif
who told u that the problems are only with Islam. Problems are every where.
Plz provider some data from a believable source to support your comment before commenting in a sensitive matter like one's religion or belief.

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Terrorists don’t have a religion
It is a million dolor statement Manush. Thank you very much for this line. As soon as the we will understand it, it will be beneficial for us.

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I definitely agree with you about 9 11, Osama Bin Laden did not have sufficient technology nor have access to such classified information to carry out such sophisticated mission against the most secured, powerful country in the world.
I don’t have any reason to believe Bin laden is not involved in 9/11. Neither could i believe that he dont have sufficient technology or found.
The fact is that he himself and his Al kaida have accept his involvement in 9/11. I also saw a video tape in the BBC news where he have accept it and also i saw the people who actually carried out that incident are interacting with bin Laned and taking training under his supervision.

How do u come to the conception that Bin Laden don’t have technology to carryout 9/11??? U only think or believe so or you have any strong and believable data to support it????
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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 01:33 AM #6 (permalink) |
Bro Bubla, The claim I’m making, I do have enough evidence for my self. To some what is a conspiracy to others it’s a conspiracy theory, this is why I am not writing my reasons.

This is a very serious issue and our debate could cause mayhem, you’re a very intelligent person and I’m shore you understand what I’m trying to say.
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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 06:13 AM #7 (permalink) |
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The fact is that he himself and his Al kaida have accept his involvement in 9/11.
I also saw a video tape in the BBC news where he have accept it and also i saw the people who actually carried out that incident are interacting with bin Laned and taking training under his supervision.

Bin Laden congratulated the people who carried out the attack not except it. Later when Afghanistan was attacked some did take credit for it but then it did not make a difference to them so why not take the credit or it could just be propaganda by the Americans to justify the war.


The communication from Afghanistan was so poor that they could not have communicated with someone in America avoiding American intelligence.

Being in the planes does not mean they carried out the attack and being an Arab you’re a suspect anyway, what about those Israelis found dancing after the attack. You saw those guys training!! Well don’t forget that Osama was trained by the Americans first and setting this kind of plot for CIA is nothing impossible, if they can kill the president of America (Kennedy) what is this!!
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Bin Laden congratulated the people who carried out the attack not except it. Later when Afghanistan was attacked some did take credit for it but then it did not make a difference to them so why not take the credit or it could just be propaganda by the Americans to justify the war.
How can Bin Laden congratulate tht massiv violence!! how can he approve a crime against humanity!!!
another point,
if its a American Propaganda, thts all right but if Laden wanted to take th Cradit thts obviously a g8t sin..coz a Muslim has no way 2 Tell a Lie.

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Default Posted November 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM #9 (permalink) |
zeera Shows Video Featuring Bin Laden With 9-11 Hijackers
(via abcnews.go.com) – A tape of Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda members purportedly preparing for the Sept. 11 attacks has aired on the Arab TV station Al Jazeera today. The tape is said to have been filmed in Afghanistan. (68 days ago)

Source : http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/09/07/al-jazeera-shows-video-featuring-bin-laden-with-9-11-hijackers/

Osama Declared He Sent 9-11 Hijackers, Not Moussaoui
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