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Exclamation LOTR - Fellowship of the Ring, Posted May 27th, 2006, 01:58 PM #1 (permalink) |
Well A lotta ppl watched that Trilogy Lord of the Rings. But not all us read the Books. The Director changed a lot of things from the Original Book by J.R.R. Tolkein. So here it is a Short list of what Changes he made ( as much as i can gather or found ). Trust me Guyz if u havnt read the Book yet u r still unaware of almost half of the story ...

The poetry and lyricism of the Tolkien text

A lot of Tolkien fans felt a loss when they noticed that most of the songs and poetry of the Tolkien story were eliminated from the story. The songs and poetry add a depth to the story.
But this is not in the Movie.

The opening history

In The Book - The forces of men and elves meet the forces of Sauron in front of the Gate of Mordor on Dagorlad, the Battle Plain where the forces of Sauron are defeated. The forces of men and elves surrounded Barad-dur, the stronghold of Sauron. They lay siege to it for seven years. Many died during this period, including Anarion, the younger brother of Isildur. Finally, Sauron came out. He wrestled with Gil-Galad (son of Fingon and last high king of the Noldor in Middle-Earth) and Elendil (founder of the Numenorean kingdom in Middle-Earth). They were both slain, and the sword of Elendil was broken into two pieces under him as he fell. But Sauron was also thrown down, and Isildur cut the Ring off of Sauron's hand with the hilt of his father's sword as Sauron lay on the ground. (That leaves Sauron with four fingers on one hand.) Isildur's hand is burned when he picks up the Ring. Then Sauron forsook his body and took no visible shape for many years.
In The Movie - The forces of men and elves meet the forces of Sauron on the slopes of Mt. Doom. When there is hope of victory, Sauron appears. He killed Elendil and shatters the sword in to many pieces. But Isildur, with a desperate stroke, cuts all the fingers off of Sauron's hand, and the Ring falls to the ground near him. Isildur picks up the Ring without any ill effects. Sauron explodes.

Book 1, Chapter 1 - "A Long Expected Party"

Smoke rings

In the Book
- This scene does not happen in "Fellowship of the Rings". A similar scene occurs in "The Hobbit," but the participants are Gandalf and Thorin Oakenshield at "The Unexpected Party." There is no "smoke ring" in the shape of a ship though.
But this scene is Present in the Movie and which looks really good.

Gandalf's trip to town

In the book No fireworks were used before the party.
But in Movie Gandalf uses fireworks on his way to Hobbiton to please the children.

The Birthday Party

In the Book The party was thrown to celebrate Bilbo's 111th and Frodo's 33rd birthdays.
But in the Movie Frodo's birthday is not mentioned.
In the book The party is in two parts: (1) the one for relatives (144 people - or One Gross) occurs under a huge tent which also covers the huge tree, (2) the rest of the people are outside of the tent.
But in Movie There are small tents, but most of the festivities occur outdoors.
Merry and Pippin fool around with Gandalf's fireworks in Movie, but there is nothing like this in the Book. This is the first scene that establishes the "Dumb and Dumber" mentality of Merry and Pippin which is not portrayed in the book either. But they arent like this in the Book.

Bilbo's disappearance

In the Book - Bilbo slips on the Ring, and Gandalf adds the effect of a flash of smoke. Bilbo later accuses Gandalf of being meddlesome.
In the Movie - Bilbo slips on the Ring, and there is no flash of smoke. Bilbo's disappearance seems to be a surprise to Gandalf.

Bilbo's leave

In the Book - Bilbo nearly takes the Ring with him. He has it in an envelope with his will. He drops it on the floor when he is saying good bye to Gandalf. Gandalf picks up the envelope and places it on the mantel. Bilbo scowls at Gandalf, but he shrugs and leaves without much regret. and Bilbo leaves with two Dwarves.
In the Movie - Bilbo drops the Ring in the doorway of Bag End.abd while leaving he leaves alone.

Gandalf and the Ring

In the Book Gandalf handles the Ring without any fear. but in Movie Gandalf will not even pick the Ring up off of the floor. Frodo does that as he enters Bag End. Gandalf's relationship to the Ring is more complicated in the book. In the book, Gandalf can touch it and hold it, but when Frodo offers him the Ring he vehemently refuses it.

Frodo and the Ring

In the Book Frodo keeps the Ring on his person, just as Bilbo did. But In the Movie Frodo keeps the Ring in an envelope in a chest.

Book 1, Chapter 2 - "The Shadow of the Past"

Time lapse

In the Book There was a 17-year time lapse between Bilbo's departure from Bag End and Frodo's departure.
But In Movie Frodo is actually in his fifties. Little time has elapsed.

The history of the Ring

In the Book the history revealed during Gandalf's and Frodo's conversation in Bag End and during Elrond's Council.
But in movie history revealed at the very beginning of the movie.

Conversation in Bag End moved to Moria

In the Book -These bits of conversation occur in Bag End:
(1) Frodo says that it's a pity that Bilbo didn't kill Gollum. Gandalf replies that it was pity that stopped Bilbo from killing Gollum.
(2) Frodo says, "I wish it didn't happen in my time." Gandalf responds, "So do all who live to see such times. All we have to decide is what to do with the time given us."

In the Movie - The conversation takes place during a rest break in the mines of Moria.

Frodo suggests that they melt the Ring or destroy it by hammering it

In the Book -Gandalf tells Frodo to try it. Frodo brings the Ring out, but he puts it back in his pocket. Gandalf points out that the Ring already has a hold on Frodo, and he says that the Ring can only be destroyed by being thrown into the fires of the volcano where it was smelted.

In the Movie - Not in the movie. The only attempt to destroy the Ring is when Gimli attempts to smash it with his ax (which is not in the book.

Sam's relationship to Frodo

In the Book - Sam spies on Frodo and Gandalf on behalf of Frodo's other friends -- Merry, Pippin, and Fredeger.
In the Movie - Sam listens in to Gandalf and Frodo's conversation. He is not shown to be spying for the other friends.This difference is related to the attempt to "dumb down" the Hobbits and give them "room to grow as characters" throughout the three movies. If Sam is portrayed as scheming with Merry and Pippin, then the three of them are smarter than they are portrayed in the first film.
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.Book 1, Chapter 3 - "Three is Company"

Frodo leaves the Shire

In the Book - Gandalf leaves Bag End promising to return before Frodo has to leave. Gandalf does not return before they leave. and when Frodo left the Shire at the age of 50 -- 17 years after Bilbo left the Shire. (Frodo was 33 at Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday party.) Frodo sets off from Bag End with Sam, and Pippin. They meet Merry later. Merry is on horse. While leaving Shire Frodo sells Bag End to the Sackville-Bagginses. Sam does not express any regret about leaving the Shire until the Hobbits are on the Ferry.
In the Movie - Gandalf arrives at Bag End and sends Frodo and Sam to Bree where he will meet up with them. Gandalf does not meet them at Bree. Frodo leaves the Shire after an unspecified period of time after Bilbo's departure. It couldn't have been long since Sam, Merry, and Pippin have not aged when they leave the Shire. Frodo sets off from Bag End with Sam. They meet Merry and Pippin later. While leaving Shire Frodo doesn't sell Bag End, and the Sackville-Bagginses are left out. Sam expresses regret at the border of the Shire.

Encounter with the High Elves led by Gildor Inglorion

In the Book - Present and accounted for. This encounter is important, since the first mention of Elbereth and Gilthoniel occurs here. Frodo cries out "O Elbereth Gilthoniel" on Weathertop as he attempts to resist the Black Riders, and Sam shouts out "Gilthoniel O Elbereth" when he raises the vial of the light of Earendil's star when he confronts the huge spider at the end of book 2.
In the Movie - Frodo and Sam see the High Elves, but he does not speak to them.

Book 1, Chapter 4 - "A Short Cut to Mushrooms"

Farmer Maggot

In the Book - Frodo is the one who had been caught by Farmer Maggot stealing mushrooms when he was young. Merry and Pippin have a friendly relationship with the farmer. After they eat supper with Farmer Maggot, he takes Frodo, Sam, and Pippin by "waggon" to the ferry. They meet Merry later (Merry is on horseback).
In the Movie - Merry and Pippin "bump" into Frodo and Sam after stealing vegetables from Farmer Maggot. His dogs are heard, but the dogs and Farmer Maggot is not seen in the movie. There is no "waggon."

Merry and Pippin

In the Book - Merry and Pippin are upbeat, but they are still smart and very helpful.
In the Movie - Merry and Pippin are comic relief - like "Dumber and Dumber." The filmmakers wanted the Hobbits to start out as naive and then show them to have had some character development. However, they over-emphasized their naiveté to the point of making them moronic. I understand that there is a certain amount of naiveté found in all of the Tolkien's Hobbits. In the book, the Hobbits have a "down-home" wisdom that isn't appreciated by the "big folk" until they see it in action. One of the things that Tolkien is pointing out in the book is that you cannot assume based on someone's looks how smart they are or how they will do in battle -- or in any other situation for that matter.

The Ferry

In the Book The four hobbits get on the ferry and are part way over the river when they notice a bundle on the wharf. They realize that it is a Black Rider.
But in the Movie The four hobbits barely make it to the ferry after a harrowing chase by a black rider.

A Black Rider kills a Hobbit

In the Book No Hobbits are killed in the book by Black Riders.
But in Movie The head of a Hobbit driving a wagon is lopped off (though the action is cut before the actual deed takes place). But an unnecessary addition.
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Just a personal opinion, I think the movie a lot of justice to the book. the book is..Umm..I forgot..800 something pages right? you can not possibily put the whole book into three movies.

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Just a personal opinion, I think the movie a lot of justice to the book. the book is..Umm..I forgot..800 something pages right? you can not possibily put the whole book into three movies.

Hehe..but thanx for the post.
umm m i dont think april ... many plot, story been changed in the movie. i use a soft in my pc called Encyclopedia of Arda. there its gives every things in details..here is Major Changes from the Book to The Fellowship of the Ring part..

This list isn't intended to be exhaustive - a complete list of every single change would take an entire Website to itself! Rather, these are the most significant changes from the book, or important episodes omitted from the movie.

* Right at the start of the film we see a somewhat simplified story of the battle that sees Isildur win the Ring from Sauron. In the original story, the battle takes place outside Mordor, and Sauron's forces are defeated. There follows a seven-year siege of Sauron in his Dark Tower. Eventually, Sauron is overcome not by Isildur himself, but by his father Elendil and the Elvenking Gil-galad, who are both slain. Isildur then cuts the Ring from Sauron's body.

* As you'd expect, time and space are generally rather compressed in the film. For example, in an early scene Gandalf leaves Frodo for Minas Tirith, reads the Scroll of Isildur, and in no time at all we see him back at Bag End. If you didn't know better, you might easily imagine that Minas Tirith was just round the corner from the Shire! In fact, the city is 1,100 miles from Bag End by road. Between the first scene in Bag End and the next, a period of seventeen years passed, and Gandalf did far more in this time than just read a Scroll!

* One of the oddest changes from the book is that Sauron doesn't have a body; Saruman tells Gandalf that he isn't yet able to 'take physical form'. It's hard to see how this could be true - what use would the Ring be to Sauron, if he didn't have a finger to wear it on? The book makes it very clear that he does have a physical form - 'He has only four [fingers] on the Black Hand, but they are enough', says Gollum in The Two Towers, and this is confirmed explicitly by Tolkien among his letters. Actually, this does seem to be a misinterpretation rather than a deliberate change, because Peter Jackson has himself described Sauron in at least one interview as being no more than a floating eyeball.

* In the film, we see the four Hobbits escape across the Brandywine at Bucklebury Ferry on a dark night. In the next scene, still in the dark, they knock on the gates of Bree. Despite appearances, though, Bree is not just across the Brandywine river - it's seventy-five miles away. The book takes four chapters to describe the Hobbits' adventures on the journey, including a trip through the Old Forest, a meeting with the mysterious Tom Bombadil and a very close shave indeed among the Barrow-downs.

* Moving straight from the Ferry to Bree introduces an awkward inconsistency, because it was during their adventures in the Barrow-downs that the Hobbits acquired their weapons. To fill this gap, we have Aragorn producing a satchel of short swords on Amon Sûl, though the film doesn't attempt to explain how he got his hands on this convenient selection of hobbit-sized weaponry.

* Arwen's role has been greatly expanded in the film. In the book, Aragorn and the Hobbits are aided by a golden-haired Elf named Glorfindel, not by Arwen, and the flood that saves Frodo from the Black Riders is the work of Elrond and Gandalf.
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* The film tells us that Aragorn has renounced his Kingship, but in the book he does no such thing. He is acknowledged leader of his people, the Northern Dúnedain, and by virtue of being Isildur's Heir has the right to claim the throne of Gondor. That he hasn't done so yet doesn't mean he doesn't intend to.

* In the book, there are not two but three named Wizards; the third, Radagast the Brown, has been removed from the film. He plays only a small part in the story, but he's important in that he unknowingly arranges for Gandalf's escape from Orthanc by sending the Eagle Gwaihir. With no Radagast in the film, Gandalf has to arrange his own escape, by sending a message to Gwaihir by moth.

* In the book, when the Fellowship attempt the Redhorn Pass, they are most likely beaten back by the ill will of Caradhras itself, or just possibly through the power of Sauron; the film shows Saruman causing their difficulties instead.

* In the book, Saruman bred Men and Orcs to create creatures known as Half-orcs or Goblin-men, and this has led some to associate him with the origins of the Uruk-hai too. The original Uruks were full Orcs of a particularly powerful and deadly kind, and originated in Mordor about five hundred years before the story begins. The film chooses to make Saruman their creator, but it isn't clear whether this is intentional departure from the book, or a simple mistake.

* Lurtz, the Uruk chieftain who shoots Boromir and is in turn slain by Aragorn, is entirely an invention of the film-makers. No such character appears anywhere in the book. He does seem to be quite compatible with the story, though. In fact, if the film version of the The Two Towers follows the book of the same name, we'll see his Orc-band arguing and fighting among themselves, which would make sense if they'd lost their leader in battle.

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Thnkx Eros Bro for ur Help Unlooked-for. Then Sud i post the rest info's ?? I was working on rest Info's. And have all the info's about 3 movies ( I think so ) ... So sud I stop here now or sud i post ??

And April Sis ... The book is about 1008 Page and There is also another related book named 'The Hobbits' ( which im searching ) ... and There is also a Related Past History which is about 100 pages ... So its true that puttin all this is 3 movies is a bit tough ... but there is also some changes made at the Movie what Changed the story or some Charecter's a bit ...
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I guess you missed my point. I said the movie did justice to the book itself. In most cases the movie beocmes so different from the book itself or tries to follow the book so blindly that it becomes boring.

Look at harry potter movies. the 2nd movie was so bad!! and even in the fourth movie there was a loophole (polyjuice potion).

the lord of ring is a very detailed book. you will find everything is described with perfection. like when they were crossing the forest outside shire, even the leaves were described. and I think there is no way any director could ever make a movie with that much details in it. the director Peter jackson has made a great movie out of a famous book.

With famous book often the movie gets shadowed or tries to outshadow the book. But when I saw the trilogy, every character resembled what I dreamt them to be (like when you read a book, you imagine how the characters will look like, how the place would look like etc).

And the minor changes didn;t really hamper the story flow. See with movies you have to make it fast paced and interesting all the time. If the director had followed the book line by line, it would have been real "BORING".

like the movie didn't talk about tom bomberdil (I hope i got the spelling right....). I really liked the character in the book and I would have liked to see that lady in the movie. But I didn't feel the director committed any crime by chopping the whole character away. on the contrary I felt that was the best thing that could have happened to the movie.

oh and I read the book long ago, forgot how many pages were there. And as I dont have the book with me right now and I didn't feel like google searching the info's ...i made a mistake.

Anyways, again it is just a personal opinion but to me the changes made in the movie didn't hamper someone to understand the story line who has not read the book.
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No No No ... I didnt wanted 2 say that Follow the Book blindly or not even meant it ... I posted this Thread just let every body know that how many changed He made and Why everybody sud Read this book, who didnt read that Yet ... And yeah its true that Following the Book Blindly will make the movie Boring ... But at that Movie there were Some GREAT changes which changed the Story a bit ... Im mentioning some which i can remember ( im lazy enuff so im not goint 2 look at the Referances ... just writing what i can remember )

There was a Cherecter Princes of Dol Amroth ... Who did a Great Job at the War in front of White Tower or at the Field of Pelenor ... but This Cherecter not even exist in the Movie ... This is a Great Change ... But at the Movie All of his Deeds was done by Gandalf ...
Then about Elrond's Sons ... None in the Movie ... And the sword of Elendil ... Which was given 2 Aragorn b4 the Fellowship was started there journey ... but At the movie The sword brought by Elrond himself. and was given 2 Aragorn just b4 he went 2 the City of the Dead ...

I didnt watched Harry Potter ... So i cant say anything abt this ...

And About Bombadil ( even im not sure abt the Spelling ... hehe ) he also did something the Forest. But i wanted 2 see the Lady ... lol ...

But personally i Think the understand the Whole story someone must read the Book ... Its also my personal opinion ...

And im reading the book for 2nd time. so i can remember this Lil things a bit more ...

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